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P. Geneva D 409 + P. Turin Cat. 2021 verso

Other nos.: P. Turin 271 (see Remarks); LRL 40

Description: Papyrus, main piece (only including recto cols. III and IV, and ends of lines of col. II) 23 x 67 cm, with 5 additional fragments, when published by Černý and Peet; col. II now almost complete with Geneva fragment but no new measurements available. Separate sheet (13 x 41 cm) glued on left end of verso of main piece. Black ink, recto (H/V) x + 4 columns (here numbered I, II, III and IV): col. I x + 5 lines; col. II 12 lines; col. III 13 lines; col. IV 21 lines (IV 15-21 separate column to the left of IV 4-14); 2 lines on separate sheet (H/V) on the back (here referred to as P. Geneva D 409 + P. Turin Cat. 2021 verso); top recto = bottom verso. Damaged; perhaps column(s) missing to the right of recto I; only fragments of recto I; minor damages in recto II-IV. Sheet on verso cut off after two complete lines.

Classification: letter (see Remarks)

Keywords: army - document - message

Provenance: Geneva fragment (together with D 405 and D 408) given to A.H. Gardiner in exchange for P. Geneva MAH 15274 in 1937, and passed on to the Turin museum (Massart, MDAIK 15 (1957), 172). Turin Cat. 2021 presumably acquired by the government of Piedmont for the Turin museum from Bernardino Drovetti in 1823 (see e.g. S. Curto, Storia del Museo Egizio di Torino , 2nd ed., Turin 1976, 45).

Publication: Allam, Hieratische Ostraka und Papyri , 323 and 325 (no. 280), pl s . 119 and 131 ( photograph, transcription, translation, commentary); Černý, Late Ramesside Letters, xiii, 61 and 62, no. 40 (description and transcription of verso); Černý, Peet, JEA 13 (1927), 30, pl. XV (description, transcription, translation, commentary); Janssen, Late Ramesside Letters , 54, pl. 102 (description and photographs of verso); Kitchen, Ramesside Inscriptions VI, 742 (transcription); Wente, Late Ramesside Letters , 75, no. 40 (translation of verso)

Dates mentioned: -

Dates attributed: End Dyn. 20/beginning Dyn. 21 (Černý, Peet), year 10 of wHm-ms.w.t (Wente)

Contents: Beginning of a letter by the army general PAy-anx to the troop commander Psg .

Terminology: NN n NN (verso 1-2); Hna Dd (verso 2); Sa.t (verso 2)

Names/Titles: PAy-anx (im.y-r mSa HA.w.t.y n nA pD.w.t Pr-aA anx wDA snb ; verso 1); Psg (Hr.y-pD.t n nA pD.w.t Pr-aA anx wDA snb ; verso 2 - or PA-sg ? see Remarks)

Remarks: Numbers : Černý, Peet, JEA 13 (1927), 30: "(...) also bears a number 271"; Allam, Hieratische Ostraka und Papyri , 320: "(= 271)". Classification: not a real letter but rather a probatio pennae according to Černý, Peet, JEA 13 (1927), 30; Allam, Hieratische Ostraka und Papyri , 327. Note that the width of the sheet glued on verso is unusual for a letter; cf. the measures given by Černý, Late Ramesside Letters , vii-xv and xviii. Names, Titles: Černý's transcription in Allam, Hieratische Ostraka und Papyri , pl. 119, suggests Psgs / PA-sgs (?) in verso 2, but cf. Černý, Late Ramesside Letters , 62a, note 1a.

Record last updated 2011-07-13

	P. Geneva D 409 + P. Turin Cat. 2021 verso
Other nos.:	P. Turin 271 (see Remarks); LRL 40

Description:	Papyrus, main piece (only including recto cols. III and IV, and ends of lines of col. II) 23 x 67 cm, with 5 additional fragments, when published by Černý and Peet; col. II now almost complete with Geneva fragment but no new measurements available. Separate sheet (13 x 41 cm) glued on left end of verso of main piece. Black ink, recto (H/V) x + 4 columns (here numbered I, II, III and IV): col. I x + 5 lines; col. II 12 lines; col. III 13 lines; col. IV 21 lines (IV 15-21 separate column to the left of IV 4-14); 2 lines on separate sheet (H/V) on the back (here referred to as P. Geneva D 409 + P. Turin Cat. 2021 verso); top recto = bottom verso. Damaged; perhaps column(s) missing to the right of recto I; only fragments of recto I; minor damages in recto II-IV. Sheet on verso cut off after two complete lines.
Classification:	letter (see Remarks)
Keywords:	army - document - message
Provenance:	Geneva fragment (together with D 405 and D 408) given to A.H. Gardiner in exchange for P. Geneva MAH 15274 in 1937, and passed on to the Turin museum (Massart, MDAIK 15 (1957), 172). Turin Cat. 2021 presumably acquired by the government of Piedmont for the Turin museum from Bernardino Drovetti in 1823 (see e.g. S. Curto, Storia del Museo Egizio di Torino , 2nd ed., Turin 1976, 45).
Publication:	Allam, Hieratische Ostraka und Papyri , 323 and 325 (no. 280), pl s . 119 and 131 ( photograph, transcription, translation, commentary); Černý, Late Ramesside Letters, xiii, 61 and 62, no. 40 (description and transcription of verso); Černý, Peet, JEA 13 (1927), 30, pl. XV (description, transcription, translation, commentary); Janssen, Late Ramesside Letters , 54, pl. 102 (description and photographs of verso); Kitchen, Ramesside Inscriptions VI, 742 (transcription); Wente, Late Ramesside Letters , 75, no. 40 (translation of verso)
Dates mentioned:	-
Dates attributed:	End Dyn. 20/beginning Dyn. 21 (Černý, Peet), year 10 of wHm-ms.w.t (Wente)
Contents:	Beginning of a letter by the army general PAy-anx to the troop commander Psg .
Terminology:	NN n NN (verso 1-2); Hna Dd (verso 2); Sa.t (verso 2)
Names/Titles:	PAy-anx (im.y-r mSa HA.w.t.y n nA pD.w.t Pr-aA anx wDA snb ; verso 1); Psg (Hr.y-pD.t n nA pD.w.t Pr-aA anx wDA snb ; verso 2 - or PA-sg ? see Remarks)
Remarks:	Numbers : Černý, Peet, JEA 13 (1927), 30: "(...) also bears a number 271"; Allam, Hieratische Ostraka und Papyri , 320: "(= 271)". Classification: not a real letter but rather a probatio pennae according to Černý, Peet, JEA 13 (1927), 30; Allam, Hieratische Ostraka und Papyri , 327. Note that the width of the sheet glued on verso is unusual for a letter; cf. the measures given by Černý, Late Ramesside Letters , vii-xv and xviii. Names, Titles: Černý's transcription in Allam, Hieratische Ostraka und Papyri , pl. 119, suggests Psgs / PA-sgs (?) in verso 2, but cf. Černý, Late Ramesside Letters , 62a, note 1a.